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New · 2026-06-02 · hobby bronze & what pig iron actually is

## Can a hobbyist actually make bronze in the backyard? And what's pig iron?

Viewer question on this node: "do people make bronze, like as hobbyists? How would you do it with Home-Depot-level stuff, on a budget, for fun? And what's pig iron — how do they make it, did they ever use it directly or is it always a byproduct?" Three honest answers below.

Short answers: (1) Yes — there's a whole backyard / hobby foundry community. (2) It's very doable on a budget, but bronze is the hard tier — you melt aluminum first to learn, then graduate. It is genuinely dangerous; molten metal does not forgive. (3) Pig iron is almost never used directly — it's a brittle, high-carbon intermediate on the way to steel or cast iron. (Its name is a delight; see below.)

### 1 · Do hobbyists make bronze?

Yes, and it's an established subculture: "hobby foundry" or "backyard metalcasting." People build small charcoal- or propane-fired furnaces in the yard, melt scrap metal in a crucible, and pour it into sand molds to cast belt buckles, plaques, tools, and sculpture. There are decades-old hobbyist FAQ sites and forums (backyardmetalcasting.com, the Home Shop Machinist BBS), and dedicated studios like The Crucible teach beginner bronze casting in person.

The standard advice from that community is blunt: start with aluminum, not bronze. Aluminum melts around 660 °C (1220 °F) — easy for a charcoal furnace. Bronze needs roughly 850–1000 °C (1560–1830 °F), which is real heat and real risk. The skills (furnace, crucible, sand molds, safe pouring) are identical, so people learn on cheap, forgiving aluminum and "graduate" to bronze once they're not going to drop a glowing crucible.

### 2 · The realistic budget path (Home-Depot-level)

Bronze is ~88–90% copper + ~10–12% tin (classic "tin bronze," ~Cu-12%Sn). The honest reality: tin is the expensive, fiddly part, and big-box stores don't sell ingots — so most hobbyists start with aluminum or with brass/bronze scrap (old plumbing fittings, valves, bushings, bronze hardware) rather than mixing alloy from scratch. Here's the realistic beginner rig:

1. The furnace. A steel bucket or a stack of fire bricks lined with refractory (perlite + furnace cement, or castable refractory). Fuel: charcoal (Home-Depot-tier lump or quality briquettes) with a forced-air blast from a hair dryer or shop blower, or a propane weed-burner / forge torch.
2. The crucible. Never iron/steel for melting bronze — iron contaminates the melt. Use a graphite-clay (ceramic) crucible, ~$20–40. A steel pipe works only for aluminum, and even then it scales.
3. The metal. To actually cast bronze: collect bronze/brass scrap (fittings, bushings) or buy a small bronze ingot online. To learn first: melt clean aluminum scrap (cans are poor; cast-aluminum parts are better).
4. The mold. Greensand (sand + clay + a little water) packed in a two-part wooden frame, or lost-foam / lost-wax for detail. Cheap and reusable.
5. The tools. Long steel tongs sized to lift the crucible, a steel skimmer, and a flat, dry, fireproof pour area.

Honest danger note · This is the genuinely hazardous hobby. Molten metal flashes water to steam instantly — any moisture in a mold or crucible can cause a steam explosion that throws molten metal. Mandatory: full face shield, leather apron, leather gloves, closed leather boots, natural-fiber clothing (synthetics melt onto skin), bone-dry tools and molds, and outdoors / fully ventilated — charcoal makes carbon monoxide and metal fumes are toxic. People do this safely all the time, but it is not a casual basement project.

Feasibility verdict: a working aluminum setup is a cheap, fun weekend ($50–150). True bronze is the same setup plus more heat, a real crucible, and sourcing tin/scrap — achievable on a budget but a clear step up in heat, cost, and danger.

### 3 · What is pig iron — and did anyone ever use it directly?

Pig iron is the raw, crude iron that pours out of a blast furnace. You charge the furnace with iron ore, coke (carbon fuel), and limestone (flux), blast hot air through it, and the iron melts and runs out the bottom. Because it sits in contact with all that carbon, it absorbs a lot of it: pig iron is ~3.8–4.7% carbon, plus silicon, manganese, phosphorus and sulfur. That high carbon makes it hard but brittle — you can't forge, hammer, or bend it. It shatters.

The name is the fun part. Molten iron was historically run into a sand mold shaped like a central channel with many short ingots branching off at right angles. The cooling cluster looked like a litter of piglets nursing on a sow — the channel was the "sow," the little ingots the "pigs." Workers snapped the "pigs" off the "sow." Hence: pig iron.

Used directly, or always an intermediate? Essentially always an intermediate. Pig iron is too brittle and impure to be a useful end material, so it gets reprocessed two ways: (a) burn the excess carbon off → steel (this is the Bessemer / basic-oxygen "blow air through it" step from the section below — the very step that lets airborne fallout into post-1945 steel), or (b) remelt and re-cast it → cast iron for stoves, pipes, radiators, lamp posts, engine blocks. So it's better called an intermediate than a "byproduct" — making it is the deliberate first stage of nearly all iron and steel, not an accidental leftover. Direct use of raw pig iron is rare and niche.

### The three metals at a glance

— | Bronze | Pig iron | Steel
--- | --- | --- | ---
What it is | Copper + tin alloy (~88–90% Cu, ~10–12% Sn) | Crude iron straight from a blast furnace, ~3.8–4.7% carbon | Iron with a controlled pinch of carbon (~0.05–2%)
Melting / work temp | ~850–1000 °C (1560–1830 °F) | Pours ~1100–1200 °C from the furnace | Iron melts ~1538 °C; steelmaking runs hotter still
Property | Tough, castable, corrosion-resistant | Hard but brittle — shatters, can't be forged | Strong, springy, workable — the goal product
Hobbyist difficulty | Medium — backyard-doable after learning on aluminum | Not a hobby metal — needs an industrial blast furnace | Hard — needs to burn carbon out of molten iron at high heat
Used directly? | Yes — cast straight into the final object | Almost never — it's an intermediate | Yes — the end product everyone wants

### Links — verified

- Backyard Metalcasting — hobby foundry FAQ — the classic hobbyist starting point: charcoal furnaces, crucibles, what to melt first.
- The Crucible — Guide to Bronze Casting — studio guide; bronze composition (~90% Cu) and melt temps, and why beginners take a class.
- Melting points of copper, brass & bronze — the temperature numbers in the table above.
- Pig iron (Wikipedia) — the "litter of piglets / sow" name origin, carbon %, and "intermediate, not used directly" point.
- Blast furnace (Wikipedia) — how ore + coke + limestone become molten pig iron.

Earlier · 2026-06-01 · the actual science

## So what is pre-atomic steel — for real?

Jake asked for the literal metallurgy and physics behind the metaphor, with diagrams and links. Here it is. (The blog-metaphor riff lives below, unchanged.)

Jake's exact knot: "If the stuff you make the steel from is in the ground, how did the atomic stuff in the air get to the stuff under the ground?" The iron ore is in the ground, and it's old, and it's clean. So where does the contamination come from?

The contamination doesn't come from the ore. It comes from the air — air that gets blown straight through the molten iron while you're turning it into steel. After 1945, that air was radioactive.

### First — what even is steel?

Steel is iron with a pinch of carbon (roughly 0.05–2%), plus sometimes other elements. Pure iron is soft; a little carbon locks the crystal structure and makes it hard and springy. That's the whole trick — it's an alloy, a recipe, not a found material.

You had the timeline right: the Bronze Age (copper + tin) came first because bronze melts at lower temperatures and is easy to cast. The Iron Age needed hotter furnaces. And Pittsburgh earned its name because it sat on coal + iron ore + rivers — the three things you need to make steel at industrial scale, which is exactly when this contamination story begins.

### Why blowing air through it matters

Raw "pig iron" from a blast furnace has too much carbon — it's brittle. To make steel you have to burn the excess carbon off. The way you do that, since the Bessemer process (1856) and today's basic oxygen process (the Linz–Donawitz method, ~1952), is to force enormous volumes of air / oxygen down through the white-hot molten iron. The oxygen finds the carbon and burns it away as gas.

Here's the catch: that oxygen is pulled from the atmosphere. Whatever is floating in the air rides along into the melt. Before 1945 the air was clean. After the first atomic test, it wasn't.

The whole answer in one picture: the ore is innocent. Steelmaking inhales the atmosphere to burn off carbon — so after the bombs seeded the sky with cobalt-60, that became baked into every new ingot. Steel poured before 1945 (often rescued from sunken pre-war warships) breathed clean air and stays radioactively quiet.

### Why anyone cares

The contamination is tiny — harmless to you. But it ruins instruments whose entire job is to detect faint radiation: Geiger counters, whole-body radiation scanners, medical imaging, and space-borne particle sensors. Building those from ordinary steel is like trying to record a whisper inside a noisy room. Low-background steel is the soundproofed room.

#### The villain isotope

Cobalt-60 — a radioactive isotope created by neutron activation. It rode the air into furnaces (and was also used to coat steel cauldrons to monitor wear). Half-life ~5.3 years.

#### The famous source

The German High Seas Fleet, scuttled by its own crews at Scapa Flow in 1919. ~50 warships, salvaged for decades — pre-1945 steel, underwater and shielded.

#### The honest update

The 1963 Partial Test Ban Treaty stopped atmospheric testing. Fallout has since decayed (cobalt-60 keeps halving). Modern steel is now clean enough for most uses, so demand for salvaged steel has largely dropped.

#### The recipe, again

Steel = iron + ~0.05–2% carbon. To make it you must remove carbon from pig iron by blasting air/oxygen through it — which is the exact step that lets airborne fallout in.

### Links — Wikipedia & explainers

- Low-background steel — the core article; the direct answer to your question.
- Basic oxygen steelmaking — how the modern furnace blows oxygen/air through molten iron (the contamination path).
- Bessemer process (1856) — the original "blow air through it" method that started it all.
- Steelmaking — the general "what is steel and how is it made" primer.
- Scuttling at Scapa Flow (1919) — the sunken fleet that became the famous low-background salvage source.
- Cobalt-60 — the specific radionuclide that makes ordinary post-1945 steel "noisy."

↓ Original node — the blog metaphor (pre-atomic steel as pre-LLM engineers)

# pre-atomic steel

Blog seed. The patience an engineer learned before the LLM is like steel smelted before 1945: pure, prized, and possibly useless on the new substrate. Invoking it as a badge of honor may just mean you're old.

the idea "Pre-atomic steel" gets thrown around like a prestige label — a thing valuable because it predates the modern era. The joke flips it: if you're calling yourself pre-atomic steel, you're not rare and incorruptible. You're just dated, and not with it anymore.

### The real thing

Low-background steel, smelted before the 1945 nuclear tests, is genuinely prized — it carries no radionuclide contamination, so it's irreplaceable for sensitive instruments.

### The riff

As a metaphor for people, "pre-atomic" stops being a virtue. Predating the current era isn't purity — it's just being old and out of step.

The setup memo · how a virtue goes stale

The metaphor lands because of a longer thread Jake works through first — patience as a once-real virtue that the substrate quietly invalidated.

The lead-in: an auto test that was intimidating because it just sat there, silent. Once the system started returning feedback, "it all clicked." The blocker was never difficulty — it was a loop with no feedback. (Full loop-latency framing in patience-is-loop-tightness.)

The childhood scene: a kid at the computer beside a parent, chided for not waiting — for clicking again when nothing happened. The failure case was real: click-click-click → freeze → ten windows at once.

The decay: that patience was calibrated to genuinely slow machines. In 2026 the machine rarely makes you wait; silence now means "give the system more information," not "let it finish." Same instinct, wrong era. Go back to 1930 and you'd want someone of 1930 — in 2026 you want someone of 2026. Maybe the pre-atomic skills don't fully transfer.

> "I was impatient, but I was also more calibrated to how things worked… it was definitely a virtue to wait for things to click. [Now] less of a virtue… we're not waiting for anything — we need to give the system more information."

the deflation — companion memo, three minutes later "Pre-atomic steel? Bro, you're old. You're not pre-atomic steel, you're old — if you're not with it anymore." A classic case of patting ourselves on the back.

> And maybe we can think of being around old people.

Still loose: what it means to learn from people calibrated for a different machine — and whether the pre-atomic-steel engineers are now the old people.